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the flame of hope

an argument for natlan's ideal

originally written 19 august 2024.

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that natlan's ideal is not passion, as many of us have been theorizing for years now, but hope.

it's a realization that, to me at least, feels distressingly obvious in hindsight. after all, light and hope just kind of go together — "a light in the darkness", "a ray of hope" — and flames were the the first things humans had to control the light.

it's probably pointless for me to explain what hope means to all of you, since i'm sure you've all felt it — or at least struggled against its absence — in your lives. but before i lay out my table of characters and explanations for why their Vision stories are about hope rather than passion, there's a quote that i think about very often that i think will be relevant here:

"it is, in fact, hope, that drives rage," as alain debotton said in One of his various speeches (probably "why you will marry the wrong person", but i'm on too much of a writing high rn to watch through that whole thing rn so i'm just gonna assume that's the one), and his reasoning behind this is because someone who is very angry will obviously be wanting something different, will be hoping for a different outcome than what it is they currently have to deal with. every person with road rage out there is hoping for a miraculous universe where there are never any traffic jams to keep us from our destinations. sure, road ragers could be directing that hope and emotion to something more useful, like public transportation, but it is hope nonetheless.

hope is a desire for a certain, most often different outcome, and it is one of humanity's strongest motivators, in my opinion, and i believe it's the fundamental motivation for all the pyro characters in genshin, one which drives them to follow what they believe is best.

something else that must also be considered before we begin is the argument that all genshin characters get their visions out of a Hope for something — be that freedom, justice, wisdom, etc. — because what is hope if not a wish for a certain outcome?

to which i can only really say, "well yeah dipshit, but these people are more likely to use hope for the sake of hope as its own motivator."

speaking more seriously, though, i've kind of had this system to describe the relationship btwn a character's home ideal and their vision ideal, which can basically be abstracted down to like:

[character] received their Vision from an ambition related to [elemental ideal] for the sake of [talent book name].

(…though, bear in mind that this phrasing is quite rigid and will not work perfectly w/o adjustments in some cases)

which i think makes perfect sense, since it's pretty clear that the different talent book names are meant to basically be three of the major shades, facets, or interpretations of their nation's ideal, and a character's talent books say something about how they interpret their home nation's ideal.

even so, here are some more concrete examples of this in action:

  • xiao's Vision represents his desire for freedom for the sake of the people's prosperity — for once he has fulfilled his contract, he will be free to dance in a sea of flowers someday.
  • kokomi's Vision represents her desire for justice for the sake of people's rights to transience — for what can a mortal understand of the eternity a god sees? just because human lives may be fleeting, they still have a right to live fairly in this world.
  • fischl's Vision represents her desire for eternity through the power of ballad — for through writing the story of her own life, she has the freedom to choose how others will see and remember her.
  • collei's Vision represents her desire for wisdom in order to execute better praxis — for once she knows how to best act in any given situation, her wisdom will be granted real meaning.

…and so on and so forth.

character reasoning: passion refutation: hope
Amber
Amber

she's described as passionate in everything she does, and about being a good outrider even in the absence of her grandfather.

hope for the sake of freedom:

her vision story opens up on how she became an outrider in the hopes of under­standing why he left mond at all, and her Vision coming to her when she realizes that there must be some­thing only she can do — something she hopes will lead her to be a better outrider.

being a mond character, amber's inter­pretation of hope will also be filtered through the lens of mond's own ideal of freedom: she under­stands that she, as a person, has the power to choose action, to not just sit idly by and hope that someday it all will fall in place.

Bennett
Bennett
i mean like c'mon, his vision story literally says that his Vision was "his 'final reward,' one befitting a person with bennett's burning passion" as its final line.

hope for the sake of resistance:

we are all aware of bennett's bad luck as his, like, primary character trait; yet, somehow, he stays silly.

despite his perpetual dogshit luck, bennett is forever the optimist: in the face of an un­caring and even cruel world, this too, is yuri an act of resistance. because he, too, hopes for a future where he may also succeed.

Diluc
Diluc

not sure where people are getting this one, tbh. though i guess his canonical years of burnout probably factor into the fact that he originally got his Vision as a child and that Maybe the bit abt passion doesn't apply anymore? i feel like i heard that around before so let's go with that.

hope for the sake of resistance:

a lot of the early game characters with later-game elements can feel kind of… hard to argue when trying to have a less-intuitive inter­pre­tation of the ideal held at the core of their ambition, but i actually think diluc is a case where it's actually a lot easier to argue that he holds hope at the center of his power:

growing up, diluc had his father's hopes to live up to. being young, he too hoped to meet them.

yet, following crepus's death, he aban­doned his Vision, for he aban­doned the hopes crepus's expectations had represented to him.

he went off on his anti-fatui adven­ture, had his time in the darkness, such that when he returned with a fresh perspective, he was able to take up his Vision again: for through the darkness will always come the dawn.

where there is resistance, there yet remains hope.

Klee
Klee
clearly it is her passion for explosives.

hope for the sake of freedom:

klee's Vision story mentions that she herself was too young to fully understand how she got her Vision. however, if we, as players with media literacy and reading comprehension read it, then i think the argument for hope becomes pretty clear:

she was building a giant bomb, with the hopes that it would be the biggest and greatest explosion ever, without regard for her own safety bc a part of freedom is the freedom to disregard one's own well-being for the sake of your own desires.

Xiangling
Xiangling
clearly (2) it is her passion for cooking with Strange Things.

hope for the sake of diligence:

at the core of xiangling's passion for Cooking With Strange Things lies one simple hope:

that the people who try her food will enjoy it.

Xinyan
Xinyan
clearly (3) it is her passion for rock'n'roll.

hope for the sake of gold:

we have to remember that in genshin, the gold of the gold talent books is represen­tative of like, the wealth present in liyue people's hearts; it is a heart of gold. these are the people who turn diligence and industriousness into gold, which in turn translates into prosperity.

xinyan's hope is quite obvious: that the people of liyue will come to see past her aggressive, punk appearance and listen to the heart of what she wants to say, what she believes about the world.

Hu Tao
Hu Tao
clearly (4) it is her passion for funerals. and doing a capitalism about funerals.

hope for the sake of diligence:

something i feel a lot of people overlook about hu tao is the fact that she is not flippant abt death because she genuinely believes it all to be one fun joke and adventure: no, hu tao appears flippant about death because she understands that we will all die someday, and she wants us to be comfortable with that fact so that we may think more clearly about what we want done with our bodies and legacies once we are no longer alive to control them.

like, it's no surprise to me that hu tao, once given actual instructions for a funeral, or told about actual funerary wishes, will execute them with the utmost precision and diligence.

it is her greatest hope that we will all be able to live in life and die in death, after all; and it is her job as a mortician to ensure that our deaths are sent off in a ritual most befitting of our well-lived lives.

Yanfei
Yanfei

clearly (5) it is her passion for the laws.

hey, is anyone else starting to feel like these reasonings are too superficial

hope for the sake of gold:

yanfei's special object in her character stories is that of a small legal codex, and it describes how this is repre­sen­tative of her hopes for how the people of liyue will view the laws in the future: simple, and easy to keep in the hearts of everyone.

Yoimiya
Yoimiya

her passion for summer and fireworks is palpable, finding beauty and meaning in them despite their transience.

hope for the sake of transience:

she hopes to make everyone's lives a little more joyful through the hard work she puts into her fireworks, as transient as they may be, for the beautiful memories will last an eternity.

Thoma
Thoma

his passion for his newfound home in inazuma, and his desire to protect it despite being viewed as an outsider to its affairs.

hope for the sake of transience:

in the moment thoma was granted the opportunity to leave inazuma before the situation w/the kamisatos got too dire, he thought abt what his inazuman father had taught him of loyalty.

he chose to stay behind out of the hopes that he could be the loyal man his father had raised him to become, that he could protect this new life he had made for himself in inazuma, as well as those who gave him that space to belong.

Dehya
Dehya

she is passionate abt her identity as a desert-dweller, despite the adver­sities maintaining such an identity brings her as a merc­enary most often serving the more privileged forest-dwellers.

hope for the sake of praxis:

dehya was born and raised in the desert, poor and without access to the edu­ca­tion that might afford her a safe route out of poverty.

her character and Vision stories describe the way other desert people who have been granted the power of education (and thus, wisdom) will often turn their backs on their desert origins; yet, even if she had been granted that privilege, dehya would never have done so, because she cares deeply about actually making a practical difference in the lives of the desert people.

thus to me, it is obvious: she earned her Vision for the hope of helping her people live well despite their disadvantages.

Lyney
Lyney

lyney received his Vision as a reward for how passion­ately he supported lynette, because of how ardent his love for his family was.

hope for the sake of equity:

lyney received his Vision out of a desire to help out his sister, to share in her dangers and her burdens when she's sent on her missions.

he hoped, at first, to receive a Delusion to force the world into equity, but upon realizing that this was not lynette's equal desire, gave it up.

only when their hopes to protect each other aligned, when a mission went awry, did lyney receive a Vision of his own.

Chevreuse
Chevreuse

i actually don't know chevreuse very well. i hope people aren't out there saying her passion is just being a cop.

hope for the sake of order:

although chevreuse is no arbiter of justice, she only learned this at the time of her Vision story: she realized her hope to contribute to order within fontaine by following the laws above her, rather than the personal, prejudiced feelings within her own heart.

Gaaming
Gaaming

clearly (6), his passion is for lion dancing, even when placed in conflict against his filial piety.

hope for the sake of prosperity:

okay guys. guys, this one should be obvious.

It Is Known™ that lion dancing in liyue is a niche art, esp. outside of chenyu vale. gaaming hopes to bring the art to re­nown, to bring it to prosperity in the big city harbor.

Arlecchino
Arlecchino

i will admit i'm also not as familiar w/arlecchino lore as i perhaps should or could be, but i can see the argument that there burns a flame of passion within her for the safety and protection of the innocent.

hope for the sake of order:

i think this is another simple translation from passion into hope:

despite her difficult upbringing (to say the least), arlecchino still hopes that her children will be allowed to live good lives of their own choosing.

that is simply the order of things, after all: a mother loves, a father provides, and the children will learn and grow.

i lampshaded it a bit in the table itself, but a big part of why i dislike the interpretation that natlan's ideal is passion is because it feels too obvious, too reductive. like, i think the genshin writers can be given a bit more credit and considered more cleverly than that.

it's entirely possible that their official in-game ideal will be called "war", since the devs in the 5.0 stream talked about how although natlan is a nation of war, they have a different conception of "war" than most of the rest of us might imagine when hearing the word. but tbh, i've been kind of holding onto the belief that Perhaps the words used in-game for a nation's ideal aren't Necessarily the best words for what they are in practice.

like, oh sure, some nations, like mondstadt are fairly straightforward and also work as ideals that make sense. but liyue's ideal of contracts has always stricken me as odd, unless one wants to take a more metaphorical interpretation of it and consider it, like, steadfastness, or honor in one's word at its core.

and like, yeah i obviously do believe there's an overlap between passion and hope, and there are reasons for why it can be said pyro characters are granted their Visions out of ambitions for passion. but i just think they all align much more neatly along the lines of hope, if you'll only put in the effort to read them a little more deeply than they may appear at first glance.


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